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dbosses: [solved] Money debited from account via immediately but not displayed at gammix (Page 2)

Topic created on 01st Aug. 2022 | Page: 2 of 2 | Answers: 12 | Views: 2,130
Jubla2014
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[solved] Money debited from account via immediately but not displayed at gammix

2nd Aug. 2022, at 10:50 pm CEST#11
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@Royal777

First of all, thank you for your detailed answer.

I have already answered you once that I myself have been scammed by 2 MGA casinos.

But is not described here in the forum, because it was before the time of my registration here at GJ.

We both are just different opinion, is not bad at all.

Look, in a reputable Curacao casino, no player who plays with a bonus can violate the bonus conditions, that's a fact.
How does it look for example in the Kannix booths?
Right Bonus trap upon bonus trap.

Is of course not fraud in the conventional sense, but definitely morally reprehensible.

I have been gambling for many years, once often, now rarely.
I played and play very high, have played in countless MGA casinos.
There are some good ones, of course, and very, very few extremely good ones.

For some time now, with a single exception, I play only in Curacao's.

And I haven't had any problem in any of them so far.
Sometimes the Verification was very costly and strict, but I don't find that bad, because I bet and dattle with very high stakes, so I respect that.
Payouts in all Curacao's where I am a customer, really, really snappy, without any obstacles being put in my way.

When I remember all the MGA's back in the day, my goodness was it chicanery in parts, often for weeks.

I say, no thanks.

With the Player protection you are absolutely right, I underline your statement, no question.

You can find cheaters everywhere, both at the Curacao's and at the MGA's.

But based on my very positive experience with the Curacao's I think it is not good to demonize this license in advance.

No hard feelings.

Stay healthy.

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[solved] Money debited from account via immediately but not displayed at gammix

3rd Aug. 2022, at 02:55 pm CEST#12
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Das_Phantom wrote on 02/08/2022 at 21:54: Your MGA love in all honor, Royal777.... But there are many, many, many "Curacao casinos" that are definitely good (not better than MGA... that's hard to compare).

To that I would add that there are indeed more lucrative Curacao casinos than some MGA casinos. Conversely, this does not mean that I consider the weak MGA casinos to be unserious and the Curacao casinos to be reputable
And I personally would call them reputable as well. Why?

1) Because they do exactly what I expect as a player. No problems with deposits or withdrawals. Of course, Verification is sometimes necessary and makes sense (just imagine... you are a casino operator and the money just flows from A to B and back and no one knows where from and where to...). All understandable and from my point of view no problem, if they want to have my grimace as a selfie... (Will Gamblejoe by the way also, if you are "verified" here...;))

2) Because they often pay out much faster and at inhumane times (I have never had a money receipt in the night from Saturday to Sunday at 4.00 am in a MGA casino)

3) Because not all (Curacao) casinos have the intention to rip off all your thousands of players and jerk off on the wealth... Most casinos also get "rich" that way, even if they have to make payouts to players more often.

To 1)
- You generalize in your statement that all Curacao casinos make no problems with payouts. Presumably, you have not had any significant negative experiences with Curacao casinos and you are not aware of any relevant cases. Therefore, I can definitely understand the statement.

- Personally, I have no problem with sharing my documents uncensored with the casinos. It doesn't matter whether I'm a hardscrabble or a high earner. It is annoying to send selfies and to fulfill other requirements, but the bottom line is that I can accept it. These requirements lengthen both the verification and the payout, but that is not a relevant factor for me to avoid a casino.

On the subject of data protection and privacy a few key points:
NSA, BND, BfV, MAD, INTCEN, etc.
Identity card, driver's license, passport, Insurance, bank account holder, etc.

Of course, your landlord, your employer, your bank, the state and other authorities have the possibility to view your leisure activities as well as your payment history to draw the appropriate conclusions. It does not matter if you Deposit in a MGA or Curacao casinos.
Whether you see this as protection, espionage, counter-terrorism or even as a conspiracy theory is up to you.

In short, every relevant authority that can have an impact on your life already has your data. Refusing to send an uncensored bank statement to a casino is baseless and only serves a fictitious expectation. If you still want to indulge your illusion to feel safer, please do

What I don't know doesn't make me hot.

Re 2)
I don't care if the payouts are executed at night, on holidays or instant. Of course, the faster the happier. Moreover, the payout time varies all the time, regardless of the casino license or the payout method made
As mentioned earlier, the payout duration should not be a relevant factor. At least I don't care, because firstly, the money from MGA casinos is guaranteed to be transferred and secondly, I am not dependent on the money.

Unfortunately, many players are dependent on the payouts. This leads to the conclusion that the player has a gambling problem . I would even argue that there are more "problem gamblers" than hobby gamblers . The fact is that there is a considerable number of addicts. This leads to various conclusions, which I do not want to go into here.

Re 3)
I would also not claim that all Curacao casinos pursue the goal of ripping off German players
Both the politics on Curacao and the owners of Curacao licensed casinos pursue their own interests without regard to the laws in Germany. The threats from the EU as well as from the Netherlands do not achieve any results worth mentioning there.
https://www.casinoonline.de/nachrichten/niederlande-fordert-massnahmen-gegen-illegales-online-gluecksspiel-aus-curacao/
On the subject of player protection: Since you are basically right that one is usually better off in MGA casinos. But when do I "need" a Player protection? As a rule, but only if I myself somehow screwed up, right? Look at the alleged "problems" here in the forum alone. In 9,8 out of 10 cases the player is to blame (also Caro - or someone else from Gamblejoe? - once confirmed that most of the problems come from the player...).

Percentage-wise you claim the same as I do, that in 95% of the conflicts the player is to blame. Why is this number so high? Naive customers, problem players, opaque terms and conditions of the casino? Both and.
That leaves 5% where the casino is to blame. If it is MGA licensed, then you get the cash. In addition, there are consequences for the casino. If it has a license from Curacao, you probably don't get your money and the casino faces no consequence.

You claim you don't need player protection until you've f**ked up. I claim you need player protection when the casino has screwed up. You may have made a mistake or I may be misinterpreting your statement.

Therefore, I can understand the measures of gambling regulation, even if the 5 second spins bother me. In addition, I plead for a deposit limit of 50€ instead of 1,000€ per casino. For clear-thinking and level-headed gamblers like you, this would be a slap in the face, making people look for alternatives (Curacao, crypto, etc.). The problem gamblers would do the same, namely play in casinos where they are helpless. Although exactly these people need the player protection.

Difficult to find a clear and fair line. Difficult that I have to do without the gas of Putin, while the alternative (usa, Saudis) have done much more wrong. Difficult that I, as a stay at home and isolated unvaccinated, am to blame for the spread of the virus and not the unprotected vaccinated at the festivals. I digress...:D
That doesn't change the fact that you can use a good "player protection" (á la ADR or directly MGA), but is that really a KO criterion? As a conscientious player you don't have to use such measures in the best case and I think that this is also the case for the majority of players...

You believe that the majority of players have no problem with playing. You could also back this up with evidence, because according to the state authorities as well as from the gambling industry, we always hear that the percentage of addicted gamblers is low

I see it differently. Among other things, you have already mentioned the reason, namely that in 95% of all conflict cases the player is to blame. Of course, this is also due to the opaque terms and conditions as well as the lack of experience. Nevertheless, I am convinced that the majority of players are addicted, which creates conflicts and results in a completely different conclusion

And if you abide by all the rules and do some research beforehand, there would be less "Boo hoo.... Curacao is dumb" threads would pop up here.... I'm pretty sure of that.

I agree with that and I would like to add that this would also apply to MGA casinos.




However, at least one disadvantage of playing in Curacao in my opinion: no Skrill , Neteller , ecoPayz etc.. With MiFinity , Jeton and of course Crypto but at least a little band-aid on that wound....

I see that as a disadvantage as well. These e-wallets are not allowed in Curacao for very specific reasons. Among others also not in the USA (Skrill, Neteller)
https://www.neteller.com/de/policies/non-serviced-countries

Possibly this will change in the future

In summary my personal opinion is

I think your comment is good and of course I respect your opinion. Moreover, you have mentioned a few aspects that invalidate my arguments.


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Sabine
Experienced

[solved] Money debited from account via immediately but not displayed at gammix

3rd Aug. 2022, at 02:59 pm CEST#13
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Since Rockycal89 has received his deposits, I am closing the thread.



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