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17th Mar. 2022, at 06:36 pm CET#71
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Krabbenburger wrote on 03/17/2022 at 18:30
Great idea 💡
In addition, everyone who buys a beer in the supermarket should give a proof at the checkout that he is not an alcoholic .
And not to forget the sweets, which may only be sold if a norm BMI can be proven .
Seriously, this is the epitome of paternalism. As if we did not already have enough "Nanny State".
With such a proceeding probably no casino would be to be operated more economically.
That sounds to me after a dystopia in the silence of George Orwell's "1984". Or a crazy idea of the Communist Party in China. There, the state already regulates how long children can gamble online games.
Why not just put on the reason and free decision of the people, instead of treating them like little children ?
Everyone has the opportunity to set Deposit limits in the casino or to block themselves.
That is more than enough in my opinion .
If I offer a "hobby", which is demonstrably extremely addictive and partly used by criminals as money laundering, I also have a duty of care to my "hobby customers" and the state.
Since the casinos only want to give hobby players an unforgettable experience and you should only play for fun, it is perfectly ok to ask where the money comes from. CashiMashi, for example, would rather give up money than have a customer who is heavily in Debt because of them.
Cona87 wrote on 03/17/2022 at 6:36 pm
If I offer a "hobby" which is proven to be extremely addictive and sometimes used by criminals to launder money, I also have a duty of care to my "hobby customers" and the state.
Since the casinos only want to give hobby players an unforgettable experience and you should only play for fun, it is perfectly ok to ask where the money comes from. CashiMashi, for example, would rather give up money than have a customer who is heavily in Debt because of them.
Thanks Cona for this valuable comment
You are absolutely right in saying that Cashimashi would rather give up money than have a customer who is in debt .
That's probably why the TE can still Deposit but his payout will be held .
There it is of course only to protect him . Makes perfect sense.
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17th Mar. 2022, at 07:43 pm CET#73
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Krabbenburger wrote on 03/17/2022 at 7:26 pm
Thank you Cona for this valuable comment
You are absolutely right in saying that CashiMashi would rather give up money than have a customer that goes into Debt .
That's probably why the TE can still Deposit but his payout will be held .
There it is of course only to protect him . Makes perfect sense.
Of course! And since he has only paid in far more than 2,000 euros in a short time, a SoW is now already carried out. After all, it is supposed to be a hobby. And monthly more than 2,000 euros for a hobby to spend is nothing unusual, but rather once more inquired
I'll add an experience I've had myself.
A few years ago I deposited a lot of money in an EveryMatrix casino.
When I reached the amount of 10000 euros in a month, I was asked to prove my income, so the SOW.
I could not make any more deposits until my documents were submitted and verified.
BUT:
I was able to withdraw funds or balances at any time.
EveryMatrix sent me an email at that time explaining everything.
You proved to me that this was necessary for regulatory reasons.
That, dear CashiMashi official, is how it is handled, and not how your juice store does it.
Krabbenburger wrote on 03/17/2022 at 18:30
Great idea 💡
In addition, everyone who buys a beer in the supermarket should give a proof at the checkout that he is not an alcoholic .
And not to forget the sweets, which may only be sold if a norm BMI can be proven .
Seriously, this is the epitome of paternalism. As if we did not already have enough "Nanny State".
With such a proceeding probably no casino would be to be operated more economically.
That sounds to me like a dystopia in the style of George Orwell's "1984". Or a crazy idea of the Communist Party in China. There the state already regulates how long children are allowed to gamble online games.
Why not just put on the reason and free decision of the people, instead of treating them like little children ?
Everyone has the opportunity to set Deposit limits in the casino or to block themselves.
That is more than enough in my opinion .
I am also not a friend of this constant patronizing but Cona87 brings it to the point if the activity is used incidentally by criminals for money laundering suffer just all of them or how else should be distinguished legal from illegal means? That is yes with the addiction prevention the only purpose why these checks are made of course it is a casino not about charity and yes in this example here the payout is held but that's just Cashis AGB's
Reason is all well and good but who guarantees the company that the customer just times 10k in 2 days gambled away so reasonable and only legitimate money used for it?
As I said to hold the payout is not at all there I also lack the understanding to it but we must also put ourselves in part times in the other side that the penalties for not requesting these documents can mean ruin for the company
gamble1 wrote on 17.03.2022 at 20:47 clock
I am also not a friend of this constant patronizing but Cona87 brings it to the point if the activity is used incidentally by criminals to launder money suffer just all of them or how else should be distinguished legal from illegal means ? That is yes with the addiction prevention the only purpose why these checks are made of course it is a casino not about charity and yes in this example here the payout is held but that's just Cashis AGB's
Reason is all well and good but who guarantees the company that the customer just times 10k in 2 days gambled away so reasonable and only legitimate money used for it?
As I said to hold the payout is not at all there I also lack the understanding to it but we must also put ourselves in part times in the other side that the penalties for not requesting these documents can mean ruin for the company
I understand your point of view.
But honestly how is a player with Online Casinos to launder money ?
You must always pay out with the same method with which you deposited.
Besides, you can Deposit such high sums only with KYC methods that are also strictly regulated.
The deposit method Paysafecard paid with money has there already rather a higher risk.
But you can not move large sums.
I would even go so far that the player who deposits 10k in 2 days via e-wallet or bank is less Risk than the 500€ with 20€ Paysafecards anonymously deposited (and even here it can be absolutely legitimate)
You have to ask yourself at a certain point the question whether you classify everything and everyone across the board as suspicious or you say that the presumption of innocence and freedom is more important . I am for the latter .
Where money laundering takes place is rather on the casino operator side: letter box companies with veiled owners, foundations and partial owners who enter fake persons as chairmen who are partly completely anonymous and of course very complicated company constructs that no one sees through.
But on the player side ? No way !
These people are laughing up their sleeves how they can act while we players have to let our pants down.
I'll add an experience I've had myself.
A few years ago I deposited a lot of money in an EveryMatrix casino.
When I reached the amount of 10000 euros in a month, I was asked to prove my income, so the SOW.
I could not make any more deposits until my documents were submitted and verified.
BUT:
I was able to withdraw funds or balances at any time.
EveryMatrix sent me an email at that time explaining everything.
You proved to me that this was necessary for regulatory reasons.
That, dear CashiMashi official, is how it is handled, and not how your juice store does it.
Krabbenburger wrote on 03/17/2022 at 11:16 pm
I understand your point of view .
But honestly how is a player supposed to launder money with Online Casinos ?
One must always pay out with the same method with which one has deposited .
Besides, you can Deposit such high sums only with KYC methods that are also strictly regulated.
The deposit method Paysafecard paid with money has there already rather a higher risk.
But you can not move large sums.
I would even go so far that the player who deposits 10k in 2 days via e-wallet or bank is less Risk than the 500€ with 20€ Paysafecards anonymously deposited (and even here it can be absolutely legitimate)
You have to ask yourself at a certain point the question whether you classify everything and everyone across the board as suspicious or you say that the presumption of innocence and freedom is more important . I am for the latter .
Where money laundering takes place is more on the casino operator side: mailbox companies with disguised owners who enter fake people as chairmen who are partly completely anonymous and of course very complicated company constructs that no one sees through.
But on the player side ? No way !
These people are laughing up their sleeves how they can act while we players have to let our pants down.
People have been trimmed in recent years to justify themselves to everyone, but you are already looked stupid when you bring his piggy bank to the bank or must verify 10 times before the crypto purchase on the exchanges then there are again arbitrarily requested documents, etc... this is by far not a phenomenon which only affects casinos i have even read some time ago that a crypto exchange app freezes funds until the documents are provided to the origin of the funds and customers have made large losses due to the price fluctuations although they even had an account that is managed as a public association there you then neither come to your coal nor can you trade with it
The laws have all the right approach but are then mostly implemented conceivably bad and that is the main problem
How exactly someone wants to launder money with casinos is also a mystery to me but I also do not consider it necessary to know such things
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If I offer a "hobby", which is demonstrably extremely addictive and partly used by criminals as money laundering, I also have a duty of care to my "hobby customers" and the state.
Since the casinos only want to give hobby players an unforgettable experience and you should only play for fun, it is perfectly ok to ask where the money comes from. CashiMashi, for example, would rather give up money than have a customer who is heavily in Debt because of them.
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Thanks Cona for this valuable comment
You are absolutely right in saying that Cashimashi would rather give up money than have a customer who is in debt .
That's probably why the TE can still Deposit but his payout will be held .
There it is of course only to protect him . Makes perfect sense.
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Of course! And since he has only paid in far more than 2,000 euros in a short time, a SoW is now already carried out. After all, it is supposed to be a hobby. And monthly more than 2,000 euros for a hobby to spend is nothing unusual, but rather once more inquired
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Cashimashi does not act correctly.
Why:
I'll add an experience I've had myself.
A few years ago I deposited a lot of money in an EveryMatrix casino.
When I reached the amount of 10000 euros in a month, I was asked to prove my income, so the SOW.
I could not make any more deposits until my documents were submitted and verified.
BUT:
I was able to withdraw funds or balances at any time.
EveryMatrix sent me an email at that time explaining everything.
You proved to me that this was necessary for regulatory reasons.
That, dear CashiMashi official, is how it is handled, and not how your juice store does it.
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I am also not a friend of this constant patronizing but Cona87 brings it to the point if the activity is used incidentally by criminals for money laundering suffer just all of them or how else should be distinguished legal from illegal means? That is yes with the addiction prevention the only purpose why these checks are made of course it is a casino not about charity and yes in this example here the payout is held but that's just Cashis AGB's
Reason is all well and good but who guarantees the company that the customer just times 10k in 2 days gambled away so reasonable and only legitimate money used for it?
As I said to hold the payout is not at all there I also lack the understanding to it but we must also put ourselves in part times in the other side that the penalties for not requesting these documents can mean ruin for the company
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I understand your point of view.
But honestly how is a player with Online Casinos to launder money ?
You must always pay out with the same method with which you deposited.
Besides, you can Deposit such high sums only with KYC methods that are also strictly regulated.
The deposit method Paysafecard paid with money has there already rather a higher risk.
But you can not move large sums.
I would even go so far that the player who deposits 10k in 2 days via e-wallet or bank is less Risk than the 500€ with 20€ Paysafecards anonymously deposited (and even here it can be absolutely legitimate)
You have to ask yourself at a certain point the question whether you classify everything and everyone across the board as suspicious or you say that the presumption of innocence and freedom is more important . I am for the latter .
Where money laundering takes place is rather on the casino operator side: letter box companies with veiled owners, foundations and partial owners who enter fake persons as chairmen who are partly completely anonymous and of course very complicated company constructs that no one sees through.
But on the player side ? No way !
These people are laughing up their sleeves how they can act while we players have to let our pants down.
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That's the way it has to go
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People have been trimmed in recent years to justify themselves to everyone, but you are already looked stupid when you bring his piggy bank to the bank or must verify 10 times before the crypto purchase on the exchanges then there are again arbitrarily requested documents, etc... this is by far not a phenomenon which only affects casinos i have even read some time ago that a crypto exchange app freezes funds until the documents are provided to the origin of the funds and customers have made large losses due to the price fluctuations although they even had an account that is managed as a public association there you then neither come to your coal nor can you trade with it
The laws have all the right approach but are then mostly implemented conceivably bad and that is the main problem
How exactly someone wants to launder money with casinos is also a mystery to me but I also do not consider it necessary to know such things
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