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Donnie

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16th Mar. 2022, at 02:12 pm CET#61

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Sebi123 wrote on 16.03.2022 at 13:42
Is it allowed to play as a Hartz4 recipient in the online casino?

I had once read you can play the lottery from probably also in the online casino or as long as that is then no disproportionate en deposits are it should go

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Yes why not.You should only not be caught by the office.If the account statements want to see there is trouble and they charge it to you.Therefore, you should use if possible e-wallets.How casinos react to it when someone sends his Hartz4 notice there I do not know.Some could then prohibit you to play there

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16th Mar. 2022, at 02:51 pm CET#62

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Donnie wrote on 16.03.2022 at 14:12
Yes why not.You should just not be caught by the office.If the account statements want to see there is trouble and they charge it to you.Therefore, you should use if possible e-wallets.How casinos react to it when someone sends his Hartz4 notice there I do not know.Some could then prohibit one to play there

Prohibit it can not but the account just put on the income that you do not play beyond his means but also makes no sense because even as a Hartz4 recipient you can save money I think a few years ago it was about 7-8k or 150 per year of life no idea if it is still like that

Wins must be declared in any case

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16th Mar. 2022, at 08:08 pm CET#63

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Cashimashi must be out of line again, I can't read the name anymore.
What they want and need and do; you can hardly imagine that they are from Gammix...

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Krabbenburger

Forum posts: 453 Member since: 07.02.2020

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17th Mar. 2022, at 12:44 pm CET#64

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Caro wrote on 16.03.2022 at 07:16 clock: Good morning all together, phew that the thread overnight so long, I would not have thought now. I've read through all your comments and yes, try to bring a little light into the matter

The previous withdrawals all went through without a hitch and the player then deposited again and with this Deposit exceeded a certain limit/sum at which the casino MUST ask for the SoF/SoW. I have also summarized the here quite well. Please Donnie read through it, I think then you will also know the background why you as a player have to submit certain documents. We are here in Malta, the casinos have a Maltese license and here are far more documents requested than you can imagine. I could now tell you all the stories of what I have already experienced here in 8 years privately / professionally. And that is STANDARD in Malta

So back to the topic...I wanted to all on it or say that the casino keeps the wins and is unseriös etc... that is total nonsense. The story with Wildz can not be true, because I already had such a case and it had to be submitted first the documents before the withdrawal is processed, so that's already nonsense

Again, the casino has the requirement to ask for the source of wealth/funds above a certain amount. The player must be able to prove where the deposited funds come from, whether that is casino winnings or he simply earns a lot, the player must be able to say so. And if the player says, hey I won X amount at XYZ casino, here is the win confirmation, then that's great. If the player says, hey I just earn this much every month, then this can only be proven with a pay slip. If the player has inherited something, this can only be proven with a certificate of inheritance, for example. Deposits with Paysafe cards can also be proven by means of the slip/transaction list..., but here the question is not about the deposit method, but about the origin of the funds. So it stands to reason that proof is requested for every statement. You can talk a lot when the day is long.

Maybe I talk easier because I worked for a long time in Malta for "Compliance" (not for a casino)...and believe me, there people had to "get naked". And why, because we also had an authority like the MGA, this was called FIAU controlled us. Believe me, a visit from the authority is not nice. They just take folders out of the closet and "randomly" look to see if we had all the documentation on the customer. Don't ask for sunshine if the proof of address was not up to date...

So have I forgotten anything else? Is there anything else that is unclear?

Hi Caro
I myself have had a lot of experience with Sow / Sof and have successfully completed it many times . But it has always felt wrong and I can understand everyone who does not want to do it !!!!
With some I have also refused because simply more and more document requests came .
There are casinos that make it uncomplicated and some where it is a weeks-long fight partly because of formalities in which format a document is.
I have even experienced that in a casino of a group my document was accepted and the same document in the partner casino (no whitelabel) was rejected because of formalities
Only thanks to the help of the VIP manager they finally accepted it .

I think it is important to emphasize that there is no regulatory requirement that the payout is held .
At LVBet and Stake 7 they first processed my withdrawal and then requested the Sow/ Sof documents. This is serious !
So the payout of the player is not held hostage and you can freely decide whether to send the documents or not .
At Wildz, the Sow request came about 1 year after I last played there.
Since you can no longer play there normally because of low RTP, 5 sec rule and 1 € max bet was with but completely indifferent.

Also CashiMashi could process the withdrawal of the player and if he does not want to send SOW documents just close his account .

Isn't it absurd that they justify Sow with " responsibility conscious gambling " and not process his withdrawal and he can still deposit at the same time ?

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Klempo77

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17th Mar. 2022, at 02:29 pm CET#65

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What does sow (source of wealth) actually mean, what do you have to prove with it?

If I Deposit 10.000€ in a casino over months/years, do I have to bring proof of these 10.000€? Or only prove that I can easily gamble away 500€ per month?

These "requirements" of "very strict licensing authority", why are they not the same for all MGA casinos?

Some just want a bank statement and ID, some want a birth certificate from my great-grandfather, notarized in zip code xxxxx, on Thursday. And that still nicely in color, which may not include blue color.

If they are already worried about players, then they should ask in advance, not after several payments

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Caro

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17th Mar. 2022, at 02:42 pm CET#66

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i described it relatively well here: https://www.gamblejoe.com/ratgeber/auszahlung-verifizierung/

I also wonder why this is not the same for everyone. It should all be uniform and good. The one casino wants PDF, the other is enough n screenshot, 4 corners, no 4 corners ... Depends on who sits at the casinos at Compliance and writes off the specifications of the MGA and I say very carefully "interpreted"

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DieWunderharke5000

Forum posts: 951 Member since: 07.11.2020

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17th Mar. 2022, at 03:34 pm CET#67

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Come on Caro, you know as well as we do why some casinos do it this way

The correct procedure is

Inform customers that SOW is necessary
Block account for further deposits and pay out any credit balance.
Reopen account only when customer has submitted necessary documents.
If the customer does not want to do this, the game cannot be continued

Here, however, it is speculated that the customer loses his nerve and gambles away the upcoming payout out of frustration or because he believes he will never get his money anyway. These casinos then like to take again before they never see the customer again anyway

Is exactly the same why they take so long to check documents or why they pay out only after 48 hours. The percentage of people who gamble away their payout again is huge

I wouldn't call it fraud yet, but it's definitely a very, very questionable business policy

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17th Mar. 2022, at 04:45 pm CET#68

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DieWunderharke5000 wrote on 03/17/2022 at 3:34 pm: Oh come on Caro, you know as well as we do why some casinos handle it that way

Proper procedure is

Inform customers that SOW is necessary
Block account for further deposits and pay out any balance.
Reopen account only when customer has submitted necessary documents.
If the customer does not want to do this, the game cannot be continued

Here, however, it is speculated that the customer loses his nerve and gambles away the upcoming payout out of frustration or because he believes he will never get his money anyway. These casinos then like to take again before they never see the customer again anyway

Is exactly the same why they take so long to check documents or why they pay out only after 48 hours. The percentage of people who gamble away their payout again is huge

I wouldn't call it fraud yet, but it's definitely a very, very questionable business policy

Of course, it is clear to any normal thinking person that the order as it was described by you so completely legitimate and also with the usual procedures with similar examination in other areas covers the main problem here but again once the terms and conditions because if it is written that funds are retained until completion and we have accepted that at the same time have given our consent to it

Whether purely legally the funds may be withheld entirely if the procedure is not completed I doubt strongly but if the casino is sitting on your point of view then you must first bring up the energy for a lawsuit because only a court then as in many other cases can grant the funds when two disputes and nothing else is it then

In addition, some amounts are in such a range there costs one the lawyer yes more

It should be mandatory for all casinos these rules: each player is checked before the Deposit and then gets a frame he can play if demonstrably these funds are available he should then have unscheduled more money by car or house sale or by gifts he can upload this evidence and then gets just about this value an increase

Quite simply can also be automated with relatively little effort at least partially and this madness has an end then the player gets no more surprise and the casino can be sure that the funds are legitimate and all is well

Disadvantages are not really if you leave out the fact that some providers can no longer hide behind terms and conditions to hold back withdrawals and players have a limit that they can not easily exceed so this should not count for most as a disadvantage

Player protection is almost not better

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17th Mar. 2022, at 04:54 pm CET#69

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As if the casinos would be interested in how much someone earns or whether someone plays within their means. The current lawsuits by sports betting providers to increase the 1,000 euro limit to up to 100,000 euros per month are sufficient proof.

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Krabbenburger

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17th Mar. 2022, at 06:30 pm CET#70

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gamble1 wrote on 03/17/2022 at 4:45 pm

It should be mandatory for all casinos these rules Gelten: each player is checked before the Deposit and then gets a frame he can play if demonstrably these funds are available should he have then unscheduled more money by car or house sale or by gifts he can upload this evidence and then gets just about this value an increase

Super idea 💡

In addition, everyone who buys a beer in the supermarket beforehand should give proof at the checkout that he is not an alcoholic .
And not to forget the sweets, which may only be sold if a norm BMI can be proven.

Seriously, this is the epitome of paternalism. As if we did not already have enough "Nanny State".
With such a proceeding probably no casino would be to be operated more economically.
That sounds to me like a dystopia in the style of George Orwell's "1984". Or a crazy idea of the Communist Party in China. There the state already regulates how long children are allowed to gamble online games.

Why not just put on the reason and free decision of the people, instead of treating them like little children ?
Everyone has the opportunity to set deposit limits in the casino or to block themselves.
That is in my opinion more than enough .

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