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Black Jack in general: Online blackjack - in truth quite different process than previously thought?

Topic created on 14th Jan. 2018 | Page: 1 of 1 | Answers: 6 | Views: 2,932
T****3

Online blackjack - in truth quite different process than previously thought?

14th Jan. 2018, at 08:37 pm CET#5
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First of all
I don't doubt the RTP of online Blackjack, only how game rounds are created.


Most people think
Every round is random, every hit starts the Random Number Generator again, but what if you know beforehand what you will get?

Example

You have 16, the Dealer has a 6 face up, according to basic strategy you stand
The dealer reveals the card face down: It was a 10, he now also has 16
He draws and gets to 21 thanks to a 5

My question
If you had drawn, would you really have gotten the 5? (ignoring the fact that according to the strategy you would never do this)
Would another random card have come?
Or, which is my suspicion, would it never have come down to a win?


I often had the feeling that unlike live dealer blackjack, the Variance in wins and losses tended to run in series, where live it was more alternating win/lose phases.


I have this of course not Stochastik completely flawless and irrefutable tested, yet showed an interesting trend:
In phases where really permanently 20 comes, on 16 a 5 follows I have challenged my luck.

Dealer: 10, Hand 1: 16, Hit according to strategy, 21. Hand 2: 16, Hit according to strategy, 20
So far so justifiable, I thought to myself: Good my friends.
Hand 3: 19, hit against strategy, 21. Hand 4: 20, hit, ace

Such things happened several times, especially in rounds where then 4 hands had 20 against 20 of the dealer,.


Of course, you can always provoke a win, but it often seems to me in software blackjack as if the outcome is already determined after the deal and there are simply rounds that you can not win, because the cards are adjusted individually.
Dealer has 16, he gets a 5, etc

In short: I think the true random generator runs when confirming the bet, not when drawing cards.
What do you say to the theory, also from your own experience?

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Anonym

Online blackjack - in truth quite different process than previously thought?

14th Jan. 2018, at 09:06 pm CET#1
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Hello & welcome to the forum! I see what you mean - assuming your theory is correct - but what would that ultimately change the gameplay ?! Or what would be even more interesting - should one now, when recognizing such a Permanence, play absolutely against the basic strategy ?!

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T****3

Online blackjack - in truth quite different process than previously thought?

14th Jan. 2018, at 09:52 pm CET#2
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Hi Vivera, regarding question 1.


What would change is that you have a much smaller influence on the game than thought, if you have 15 and the Dealer has a 10 and draws you get a 10, if you stay in the same situation he reveals 14 and draws instead of 10 the appropriate 7 because the round was just set to lots.
This would not be to the liking of all players, since you are starting from a simulated deck of cards.


Question 2:

This question and discussion I ask here, one could do probably nothing, I would be pleased however if someone has an idea how one proves such a thing.

The test conditions are not easy, so you can continue to sabotage the lots if you have 20.
One would have to weigh certain situations against each other, as an example:

17 against 10, what is the expected value to lose on hit and how often do you really lose in software Blackjack?
I think it would be possible to prove the whole thing, but before that you would have to define the framework exactly and of course play a few (100) rounds. Ideally with real money and constant stakes.

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c****7

Online blackjack - in truth quite different process than previously thought?

14th Jan. 2018, at 10:17 pm CET#3
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Your observation is completely correct. The online BJ is more like a Slot machine but the map progression is controlled.
Try the following in fun mode: Overbuy every hand, draw a card even at 20, after a few hands only BJ will come and you will always draw 21. The system must equalize the RTP. This would not happen in real BJ. I have won well in virtual BJ but it is to be taken with a grain of salt.

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Online blackjack - in truth quite different process than previously thought?

14th Jan. 2018, at 10:30 pm CET#4
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The question is how meaningful the play money mode is. And to prove that with real money.... But quite interesting theory.

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T****3

Online blackjack - in truth quite different process than previously thought?

22nd Jan. 2018, at 05:34 pm CET#6
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Online blackjack - in truth quite different process than previously thought?

23rd Jan. 2018, at 07:11 pm CET#7
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I myself have been playing online Blackjack for years and can only agree with you

It behaves like a slot. It doesn't matter if you play according to the blackjack basics. If the machine says it's your turn to win, then even if you hit 18, you'll still draw a 3

If it's your turn to lose and you have a 20 and the computer draws a 5, it will definitely draw a 6 and a 10, which is 21

Nobody needs to tell me that it is different. Through years of observation, something like this simply crystallizes out

Meanwhile I never play more than 5 hands. I try since this Erkentniss just to double or triple my balance quickly with a few but large hands. Who plays this game in the long run will lose 9 times out of 10

This fast and also aggressive playing on the slot has turned out to be very positive for me

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